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seventy six lives acted alone but europe's growing nationalistic mood is speeding fears of more violence elsewhere. britain is officially recognizing libya's opposition as the country's legitimate leaders that is stopping up the diplomatic offensive against colonel gadhafi it's also unfreezing one hundred fifty million dollars of libyan oil assets to help fund the rebels. and next peter lavelle and his guests argue whether the norway atrocities could sudden motion at the islamic movements across europe that discussion is coming up next. wealthy british science. because. markets. can find out what's really happening to the global economy for

a no holds barred look at the global financial headline is going to cause a report on hard to. keep. flowing welcome the crosstalk i'm peter lavelle the color of terrorism as norway comes to terms with its most horrific attack on its soil since the second world war a plethora of questions demand answers how could this assault be planned and executed under the radar of the authorities and as the west focused too much on islamic groups instead of homegrown extremists and terrorists. can start. to cross talk the rise of far right nationalism i'm joined by my guest in london assad ali he's chair of the muslim

safety forum and stephen gas he is spokesperson for stop islamization of europe all right gentlemen this is crosstalk that means you can jump in anytime you want but first let's see how the oslo attacks may influence political discourse in europe. are you ok tragedy that struck norway on friday has become yet another grim reminder of the growing threat of far right extremism a problem long since recognized but unresolved in europe with the body count still in progress authorities and politicians in europe are left to re-evaluate the spread of domestic radicalism and possibly recast the profile of a modern day terrorist i am the little sense of grief over such a high death toll as a result of a bombing of a federal building in oslo and a shooting rampage at a labor party youth camp. chris. lawrence. you know democracy or. religion to the admission of the

need to ask hard questions particularly how one man was able to burn such destruction without being stopped will want to make sure that we like others any lessons there are to learn about how to be more secure against horrific rages like this indeed lessons need to be learned to identify terrorist threats such as the charge anders behring breivik long before they happen has fifteen hundred word manifesto posted hours before the carnage denounced the government's failure to protect norway from islamic influence nurtured and europe's growing climate of hatred that comprises a mix of enter immigrant sentiments racism and economic recession brave exposition mirrors a civilised political debate about multiculturalism across europe. this is not. a simple. and i hate people to each other his approach his feet are to feel that

the attacks have been built questions that strike a chord with politicians across the entire political spectrum what does it mean to be european tolerant and open the answers to these questions until very different outcomes the most extreme of which will spoil it out in our slow was the question that now hans public opinion and policy makers since the nine eleven attacks against the us the western world has focused its attention and resources on what a deems a security threats from the islamic world so will the attacks the last load carried out meticulously by a right wing christian prompt or worse to qualify as the new face of a modern day terrorist suspect. my sister in law for a class. that i'd like to start with you in london do you think how do you look at this horrific attack in our slow this extreme extension of the type of rhetoric that we hear from right wing political parties in europe this gentleman before he pulled off this horrific. attack used the language that

you can hear it very often across europe about you know about immigrants immigration about islam about the koran except for so here's a man that spoke in extreme terms and acted even more extreme yeah absolutely and let me add my condolences and heartfelt sorrow for what did take place i mean this beric acts of terrorism that took place is an extension of and to muslim islamophobia a trend that is sweeping europe and it is like you mentioned extreme end of that which unfortunately i think i do agree with a lot of what your reporter said earlier which is that this proportionate amounts of resources and time has been allocated in dealing with one strand of terrorism at the expense of others we have europol and others who have indicated for years way

back from two thousand and six that the threat from extremism and that's of terrorism is something real and should be taken seriously ok stephen what do you think about this attack here because again this is norwegian man i mean he was part of a lot of these different groups had repaired european that were very anti immigration anti muslim and here's and he step further he stepped way over the line in our so well it's a difference between the rhetoric that we hear across europe and the little bit of the an inch further where you get this kind of a car. well first of all i like to join my fellow guest in offering my condolences and commiserations to the families of the victims and also no way itself it's a complete disgusting act the this man perpetrated to get to your question i actually think this man is a one off he's reported as being an anti islam it's the and but it's notable that the target that he chose was wasn't muslims it wasn't mosques or anything like that

it was indeed the ruling party of norway the rhetoric that he espoused. a myriad some of the language that he used against islamist at the moment but he is diametrically opposed to stop islamization of europe stack ticks and methods and strategies because we have always been a peaceful organization we've always had demonstrations conferences and i've written articles. and such events are always authorized and okayed by the police and author it is here we are a peaceful organization and this man is in my view a one off i live in the north of england and recently we had a car does not make this point because. he is an exception that proves the rule really in the north of england not far from where i live we had a similar event of mass murder and nobody knows what the motivations worth of the

horrific attacks this man is reported to opinion and he has been missed we have no record of him joining our group told he was summarily thrown out of the facebook group which is the fleetest contact that he had with us. that is he was found out that he had nazi links on your nazi links he was thrown off because we're fundamentally anti totalitarian as a group we oppose not only is there are millions who are caught communism and nazis are ok. there you want to reply that i got it right yeah i mean. i think steven what he says is me he has his half right which is that met the tactics are different but the rhetoric is the same this man is in his own words he is an anti muslim and he hates muslims and the reason he chose his government and these young people on a holiday island is because he sees them as the people who failed to protect

norwegian society from this influence of islam in his own eyes and his links to the far right extremist organizations like the english defense league is well documented and we had last night the leader of the english defense league actually issued a threat on live on national television saying that you know in five years you can expect similar attacks in the in the u.k. so the link there is very very strong ideology ideology clearly they come from the same place yes the tactic this individual decided to take was different however he's not alone he's already told the police that you know there's fifteen to eighty people out there who are ready to do what he's done is declaring himself to be belong to the knights templars you know where we're going back into the history here is bringing up. the rhetoric of the crusades so this man is not acting alone his not deranged he's not a lunatic he knows exactly what he's doing and he did it in

a calm collected and very very well organized way how on earth can this be done the planning there was for years without being detected from the security services or anyone else simply the answer is simply because with this proposed. amount of time has been placed on looking at one strand of terrorism at the expense of the other what do you think about that stephen because you know it's we can call this blonde on blonde terrorism here because we'll talk a little bit later about the disproportional focus on islam in europe when it comes to terrorism which actually if we do we i did some research it's minuscule compared to other terrorist acts committed by nationalist groups in europe but what about that i mean you know if you look at the media the first thing you hear was oh it's the islamic attack on europe and then they shifted it ok and then all of a sudden it became a fundamentalist i mean even the rhetoric and how we talk about these things is so completely different because of

a skin color religion and war some people come from in the world. well first of all i'd like to say the react the immediate reaction chose the. grave it was the exception that proves the rule the automatic assumption was that it was not from terrorism because that is the norm for our present. so it was like saying sorry. i didn't did i didn't interrupt you and i'm not i will have my say on your own person statement sure. but basically. i don't believe he has any links at all to any right wing groups and the language i agree with the fellow guest the language actually has to change the left wing and right wing far right far left is meaningless now people are more sophisticated in that we go people from a broad spectrum of political persuasions on our demonstrations they're not left wing the not right wing they perceive

a threat to their culture and identity and they come out and demonstrate against it . you know this knights templar thing i think it's complete boning i don't believe exist is something that historically are in english nationalist fervent english nationalist and i know of the groups that are involved with english nationalism in this knights templar to me is a complete fabrication so i don't believe it is got any links at all with any english nationalists. the thing i do something saying go ahead you want to jump in there before we go to break i had no i mean what was stephen fails to recognize and this a problematic is since nine eleven there has been a concerted and well organized orchestrated campaign for neoconservative islamophobia groups think tanks input training anything that happens in the world as you know is a form of islam is so full of muslims etc etc that's why you have when this horrific acts of place that's why you had experts one after the other coming in and

saying things like all of this has. the whole mob. this is an islamist look at space and i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to what it sounded ensure a break we'll continue our discussion on the oslo tragedy stay with our feet. just seemed to be the slowest some of the biggest so. please. the least

some. say. if. you see. more news today violence is once again flared up saying these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada asked same operations are all to see.

can. you tell about your mind you were talking about extremism in europe. ok as i want to go back to you in a comment that you made before we went to the break about the media and al qaeda it's quite interesting that in the fifteen hundred page manifesto that was left behind there was an enormous amount of admiration actually for al qaeda because of its tactics i mean that is going to be one of the greatest irony is that all this considering that media and many politicians including the united states instantly said this is al qaeda or al qaeda like operation this is telling us they were missing this is a huge security lapse and on the part of western governments because it's their own

homegrown people that are committing most of these acts of terrorism. yeah i mean before i answer that if i could finish the point i was trying to make earlier even today you would find mainstream media do not call what took place in norway a terrorism act they don't report it as a terrorist act you know they call it everything but terrorists acts that's one thing second thing is like we heard our prime minister and he doesn't use the word terrorism this man's admiration for terrorism is plain if he using his own words said why another terrorist organization and here we are denying that this man has committed is anything but an act of terrorism and i think this rhetoric that the media has you know over over the last ten years indoctrinated in moscow what we need to do is we need to work on facts you know if we are solely believe in one society many cultures here where we are one society but we allow for many cultures and people to have the individual freedoms human rights to do as they please within

the boundaries of the law but for us to and sustain this and maintain this we have to operate in an honest and interact with integrity and unfortunately a lot of our commentators politicians and media cannot meet those requirements you know stephen i mean our understanding it is that it is a fact immediately when we went from a terrorist attack to a lunatic a nut case i'm a christian fundamentalist i mean it should be but the act is no different than an act of terror that would be you know nine eleven oklahoma city seven seven in london i mean it's the same thing but it's a fundamental salissa nut case. i agree entirely with that such. as the view and the brave make is every bit as much an enemy of democracy as those who bombed the london buses and tubes and that's not only most famous it also includes irish fascists who found london when i lived back in the eighty's so you know this

is a strategy which is a terrorist strategy and please the point being made because i totally agree this was an act of terrorism they think about other to go back to the point about. bravery and. what was said regarding the fact that the the leader of the on the program. british television last night i was invited to speak on that program and i wish to make the point made the point that he was a one off he isn't. it doesn't resemble or is not representative of the groups that are demonstrating or and here's the missed if you like he's a one off so i don't think this kind of any more of these kinds of actions. i don't know maybe a story will i suspect that he is an elected you're just does that doesn't make one point i think what we will see we will see the kind of actions that peter tatchell

talk against the church of england synod where he invaded and i think we're going to see maybe not. surrounded invaded or muslim gatherings being disrupted that may happen so that our as i don't know if i mean are you hiding believe i don't believe you know you're not going to see any. can carry on glad so glad i mean you were just going to you were just going to say there was a going to be an act of terrorism we have five mosques that has been sent power to wipe out a substance that the police are treating very very seriously we have mosques that are daily vandalize we have muslims there have been killed we have an elderly man who was killed out of past simply because he was a muslim and with. the language of you muslim go back home look see i did say really very very seriously this we have what we have our senior is i ask allah i honestly have seen oil use office hours ago and you are saying terrorism the way

out the right wing is very very likely ok this is the man who will man who is that it looks a lot of what i usually. head i did a freedom of information request the crown prosecutor prosecution service about that murder at a bus stop and i asked why it wasn't treated as a racist attack as it was in the first place and the reason was because it wasn't right wing nationalist as you like to call them who perpetrated that murder it was a group of local youths had nothing to do with any right wing groups a tour and the crown prosecution service actually obfuscated all the requests side made and in the end they said they were going going to give me no information because it. was it was concerned with the case notes and they were tracks people like people like the leader of the e.t.l. they admire i mean he wasn't a national television it green with many of the messages out of the fifteen hundred words he only disagreed with one thing which was the terrorist act itself but he

agreed with everything else the rhetoric was there and then before he finished he categorically issued a threat saying in five years' time this is going to happen unless you wake up unless you wake up it is that the this is the other thing is i want to say this person is alive and then when he was initial my point see evolution is not what is . for this personal injury of killing all the norwegian police there's another to sell them ok he's put in his own manifesto and he's mentions it in norwegian police already and he's worked with english defense league there are seven million was actually standing and that's an important point stephen you can reply that there is going are i said to serve the newspapers and television but i don't believe that this sort of thing is going to happen again but underlying threat that you know if we're not listen to you're going to see more terrorist attacks i just think i believe it's a load of rubbish we're not going to see this kind of thing happen in england we're not going to see it happening across europe this man was

a one off nobody will ever get to know what his motivations were but i will say this about that i'm pleased that his hearing is being held in secret because we've been trying for years to get to the place of islam in western democracy discussed and all we've been called a fascist xenophobe it raises ok gets all right this is the this then you go to only this point so this man for forfeited his rights by this atrocious act of mass murder i don't want to hear is views because he is a murderer he focused even steven he lost his usual line theory nobody's views are he left fifteen hundred pages of mine as i'd like to go to you when the police when the police apprehended him they called him by his name they knew who he was. exactly this is something that i think is very interesting i mean they not the music he was around he knew it is views were but he bought six tons of

fertilizer that's a huge security like this can you imagine someone with the name buying six ton fertilizer there will be a raid immediately and this is the point i was making earlier when i was in new orleans say to yourself. you when you do you know allocate your resources disproportionately the you will make these big clearing mistakes ok then this is going to follow firing it for us and here yes it is but that's one point he said pointing years second point is very very naive for steven and very very dangerous and you know and we all hope there are no more terrorism acts but it's very very naive to think that this was a one off and it's not likely to happen if you look at the right wing that. rhetoric in europe it is far higher than the u.k. for sure we have countries in the u.k. of countries in europe who are banning certain acts of islam so they've banned the

minaret they've banned the wearing of all of these things i had on easter in the u.k. it's not that bad at the moment and there you go he says it's good to see it now we knew that impinge on people's human rights then what are you talking about a liberal democracy you talk about democracy a good model and even was you know replied that i had even replied that's a very good point because you look at saudi arabia which is the center of islam that's where america is all of the religions are banned and yet the western governments germany has just. learned from these that only the affair is going to last me interrupt you jenny you will not be interrupting you stephen. germany has just sold two hundred tanks to. to saudi arabia and we've sold jet fighters said dubiously now you can bet your life not one of those tanks will find its way to afghanistan to fight the taliban nor will it will they find their way into iraq to fight al qaida and of taliban. little italian girl prefer search perverse

forms of islam is not an agility with us to be attacked islamiah was like all do we have a woman's decision to wear a certain type of clothing what on earth are you going to say. in the rock concert in oklahoma and how do you know you guys are really going towards your salary is a lie where the only reason i decided to ask you to give you the last word in the program and in the figs as i where do you think the multiculturalism discussion is going to go now in europe after this horrific event. i think people with common sense will see that we need to be one society with many cultures and we need to be on the front four which is being positive building relationships understanding each other and i think the rhetoric of what stephen represents and his organization represents is is the cause of the things that we have just like it is for any religion any ideology extremists you know we need to shun them we need to

marginalize them and unfortunately stephen represents those kind of views so the way forward is that we are working on our farm for build positive relationships and recognize that we are one society with many cultural case even you were pointed out before we end well it was the original terrorists he was the one who coined the phrase which is in the koran which is taught in every mosque throughout the world knows limbs make war on the co far who were around you and the need say no more he was the original terrorist he was the original not say who clones the arabian peninsula of all jews all right gentlemen i was a very heated debate here many thanks to my guest today in london and thanks for viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember past articles. and. stories. you can go to.

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